Airport Security

[Steve]

Based on the events from last week, what are your personal feelings about airport security?

What can be done to improve it?
Do these recent events prevent you from flying?
Do you think these new security measures will last?
Do you feel safe?

I welcome any and all comments.

Steve

[iam4nd]

We will continue to fly and feel safe while doing so. See no reason not to.The new security measures will probably always remain in place, although there will be modifications.

As far as improving security, we feel that the fear of profiling by the TSA must stop. Singling out a 67 year old grandmother for a special search is kind of silly:confused: . If those of Arabic descent (a very few, comparitively) are responsible for the vast majority of airline terrorism there should be nothing wrong with paying special attention to them. It may be profiling, but it is necessary to help insure the safety of ALL airline passengers. We're sure there are those who disagree, just our opinion.

[ronnie2000]

I think that people keep an eye on others on the plane, more now then ever. If someone were to try to "light a shoe" or "start mixing something" on the plane, they'd better prepare to be jumped, or worse. There are always ways to get around security, especially if you aren't doing indepth searches on checked baggage. For the most part, my greatest concern has been turbulence as far as flying. Once you've been in a super bad flight, it stays with you a long time (in my case, 25 years now). I have no problem with security checking my stuff, however at airports like McCarren, they do need more screeners with the number of people going through there in a day. You certainly don't want to have to get to the airport 5 hours before flight time JUST to get through security in a timely manner.

As far as the measures staying, as they are now, I don't think so. I think they will do some relaxing. One thing I've not heard......with the no liquids on board.........are they handing out anything to the riding public while on the plane??? Some things I'll never figure out.........if all lighters and matches have to be disposed of before you go through security, why is there a smoking area with tons of people in them and how in this world did they light up :confused: I say do away with all the cigarettes, cigars and pipes and it will be a safer place for all to begin with! :eek:

[Pooch01_99]

I don't know about airport sercurity, however, if the threat was as it was announced to be, they just should have suspended all flights beteen the US & UK.

[tryon4]

Ways to improve safety in the air is to, and this would not be very popular, would be to eliminate carry on baggage. Yes you would need to improve pick up but that could be done. This way everything is Xrayed and out of harms danger.
It is probably safer to fly today than it was last week. We flew on 9/18 (to Vegas of course) and there was so much security that we felt totally safe. A side to that flight was that it was from Boston via Dallas to Vegas. We were 2 of 5 passengers on the plane.
Yes we shall continue to fly.
New security measures are already being reduced
No it won't change our plans.:)

[Souette]

Anything short of a strip search is fine with me. And I'm not kidding.
They make you take your shoes off and leave liquids for a reason. Legit reasons. An extra hour or two at the airport beats 3 days of driving to Vegas.
Safe? No, I don't feel 100% safe anymore. Once again, perfectly legit reason not to.

Personal note: Last year when I visited New York, I rode the subway several times. One evening, a man rushed into the subway car that I was in. The doors closed behind him and began to speak very loudly. "Your attention...I am (Arabic Name) and I represent (someplace I never heard of).
By this time he had raised his backpack over his head.
In just those few seconds, by brain was going crazy with thoughts and I could feel my heart pounding in my chest.
This man went on to say that his organization helped the homeless and wanted to know if anyone on the train had NOT eaten that day. Two men raised their hands and the man reached into the backpack and gave a plastic bag with a sandwich/chips to each of them. Then he got off at the next stop.
If anyone can feel fear and shame at the same time, I did on that day.
Fear of this man because of past events including recent subway bombings in UK and shame for assuming this man because of his looks was going to blow me up.
It's a crazy, mixed up world out there.

[sonntex]

We will continue to fly. Only thing holding us back sometimes is the ridiculous ticket prices.

Security probably won't change much in the near future IMO. The shoe thing is still in force so I figure the no-liquids will also be in force for a long time, too. Doesn't bother us much as we usually check our luggage anyway. If my luggage gets lost then the few liquid things that I always carry on board will just get lost. If my make-up gets lost, then I will go w/o make-up. LOL

I agree with iam4nd about the profiling. I got checked once at DFW because my driver's license had expired a few days before the flight and I had a lighter in my pocket. I was travelling alone. They pulled me aside and checked everything. Wanded me and went thru all my stuff and I'm a caucasian granny. McCarren did not bother me on the flilght back, but you better believe I got my DL renewed as soon as I got home.

Once on a flight back from LV there was a young middle eastern man sitting in hubby's seat. He told the guy he was in the wrong seat so he moved over to the middle seat. Hubby's seat was on the aisle and mine was by the window, so this fellow was sitting between us. He started his evening prayers with his head down mumbling in his native language. All he was carrying was a small backpack that was not full. He smelled strongly of incense. I was pretty nervous and kept close watch on him; trying not to be too obvious about it. After a few minutes a Spanish man stopped at our row and told this fellow that he was in the wrong seat. That was his seat. (Guess the Middle Eastern guy couldn't read English very well.) So he moved to the row behind us. Relieved me a little. At least I didn't have to sit by him, but I was still a little nervous. We got back to Dallas okay without any incidents, but......

And then there was another time that a Middle Eastern man was sitting next to me. He was by the window. He had a friend who was sitting in the seat in front of him. They were both nice guys. Talked to them a little bit and when we landed at DFW we were all on the same shuttle to get our cars; one of them got up and gave me his seat. But when you think about the fact that some some of the 911 terrorists had some meetings in Vegas, it gives me a shaky feeling. You just never know.

One thing that I wish the airlines would get going on pronto, is a better way to check out the checked luggage and cargo. I know the machines they use for that are much stronger than the carry-on ones, but still not strong enough. What would keep someone from stowing something in cargo that can be detonated by something they carry on. One of the guys caught at Heathrow was employed there.

I am not saying that all Muslims should be profiled. But the young men who are travelling in pairs or alone are very suspicious. Random checks could still be made on other passengers just to make sure.

But with all that said, I do feel pretty safe. I just stay off those jumbo jets.;)

[Nancy from Indiana]

We will comply with the new security rules - glad to know them before I had to throw out rather expensive perfume, shampoo, etc. that would have been in my carry on. But what about TSA? A few years ago when we went to LV, there was a note in our checked bags that TSA (in Indianapolis) had gone thru them. Someone from TSA also took 6 pairs of new underwear with the tags on. So I filled out a form and a year later was reimbursed. It was the principle of the thing...

[Kaytieeldr]

First, given that liquid explosives on planes were first detonated over ten years ago (over the Pacific, small explosion, Japanese businessman killed, six passengers injured), I would have expected DHS and TSA to have developed a means of detecting such bombs, or bomb ingredients, long before last week. 'Scuse me while I change out of my rose-colored glasses.

Will it stop me from flying? No how, no way. Do I feel safe? No less so than two weeks ago.

Should the ban on liquids in the passenger compartment continue, I have already investigated or read suggestions for work-arounds. MANY of the currently-banned products are available in some solid form (e.g. shampoo bars) or towelettes (insect repellent with sunscreen) or pads (makeup remover, deodorant). Another option is to mail or ship a package to your destination - apparently the USPS charges about $8.50 for any weight shipment that fits into a certain size box; you can also preprint and prepay a label to send the box back home at the end of your trip. Or shop at your destination.

[AMMARSON]

Do I feel safe flying? The answer is no.
Am I still going to fly? The answer is yes.

I hate to fly more and more as time goes on, however I love going to Las Vegas. Since it would take 4 days to drive, I guess there isn't any other choice than to fly. But let me tell you, it is the longest 5 hours of my life each time we go. I went in March with my husband, the whole family is going in 4 days and I'm going alone in October.

I always check-in my luggage and 50% of the time I find a note that it was searched. Nothing has ever gone missing. It reasures me to know that at least they conduct random checks. I should only be so lucky at the slot machines in Las Vegas.

[MHIROTSU]

I was watching a show on TV the other day, and they were saying that if we are looking for the bomb, we will fail. We must look for the bomber. Some have mentioned the issue of racial profiling. That falls in line with finding the bomber, but I guess we'll have to change the Constitution a little bit to squeeze that one in. I'm hoping that we'd develop a better detector to find any explosive device, fluid or anything that will blow up.

I don't let things like this prevent me from flying (yet). I was on an airplane 2 days (I think it was 2 days) after 9/11, flying to Hawaii. It was one of the first flights leaving Los Angeles. I wasn't going to let fanaticals ruin my vacation. I felt the safest on an airplane than I've ever felt before. As the security measures tighten, I feel safer (and that's probably just window dressing).

I'll be flying to New York at the end of this month and up to northern California the weekend before that. I figure that if they blow up the plane, I'll die and that's the end of that.

I'm not sure about security measures lasting. Some will, like banning lighters. If all others remain, that's all OK with me. But they need to devise a manner for the relatively quick processing of everyone's luggage and person so that we don't have to arrive at the airport too much in advance.

And to add a little lightness to this issue (without lowering the seriousness), with everyone having to take their shoes off for screening because of the shoe bomber, one comedian asked why there couldn't have been the bra bomber.

Mike

[katherinemm]

Personal note: Last year when I visited New York, I rode the subway several times. One evening, a man rushed into the subway car that I was in. The doors closed behind him and began to speak very loudly. "Your attention...I am (Arabic Name) and I represent (someplace I never heard of).
By this time he had raised his backpack over his head.
In just those few seconds, by brain was going crazy with thoughts and I could feel my heart pounding in my chest.
This man went on to say that his organization helped the homeless and wanted to know if anyone on the train had NOT eaten that day. Two men raised their hands and the man reached into the backpack and gave a plastic bag with a sandwich/chips to each of them. Then he got off at the next stop.
If anyone can feel fear and shame at the same time, I did on that day.
Fear of this man because of past events including recent subway bombings in UK and shame for assuming this man because of his looks was going to blow me up.
It's a crazy, mixed up world out there.

I PROBABALY WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE SAME THING! I don't think it was ALL you and your misperception. It's become a fact of life to "assume" the worse based on our current situation in society having to deal with Islamic extremists who use terror to facilitate change. It is very SAD!

[JayMagic]

I believe that everyone should be screened, but rather than saying some should have more, I would take the apporach that some should have less.

Use the ability to "pre screen" frequent fliers, or those who sign up for the program. Have biometric check in for them, eye, fingerprint etc. If you know you will be flying enough that what they do now is too much of an inconvenience for you, then sign up for the program (even a $10 fee would work for me).

As for the rest, what what we go through now is tolerable on a once a year basis, versus the alternative of being less safe. I also think they could cut back on some of the restrictions. I seriously doubt if small scissors, a nail file, or even box cutters, etc. would get you into a cockpit these days. I can't imagine, given what we now know, that anyone could ever take over a plane again using such a minor weapon. Too many would now fight to the death with belts or anything at hand to stop them.

[katherinemm]

In the 1980's, I went on a tour to the Middle East. On one part of our trip, we flew into Amman,Jordan and then had to take a bus over the border into Israel. They looked at our passports repeatedly, ALL our luggage had to be looked through by hand, and we each did a strip search. It took us 8 hours to go 50 feet for 25 of us on the tour. Now that was 25 years ago. It is so much WORSE now. Yes, it was a hassle but the receiving country wanted to make sure it was safe.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I really believe that to be safe, we will need more stringent security. I would like to see people travel "light". I went on a trip last year to Greece ( gift) and I couldn't believe how much people brought with them. I was surprised that the airlines didn't SEEM to enforce it's luggage regulations.

I will still fly. The only thing keeping me back is the cost. :eek:

[jo45an]

I was pulled aside for the "special screening" last year in Atlanta! I'm caucasian, in my 50's, and have blonde hair and blue eyes! I agree with the posters who feel common sense should determine who might be a potential terrorist, even though this is "profiling". If you are attacked by a dog in the past, you are most likely going to distrust dogs more than cats! I would like to believe that most of the Arabic
people are not violent, but I don't think anyone should feel badly about being somewhat leery around Middle-Eastern young men on a flight. What worries me is the prospect of "home-grown" terrorists, like McVeigh, planning an attack while everyone is busy watching the Middle-Eastern community. I am a nervous wreck, however,when someone in my family, or a very close friend needs to get on a plane!:(

Joan in PA

[billfarr]

I'll continue to fly whenever and wherever it's convenient. The only thing that really ticks me is that our Government is SOooo Politically Correct that any Terrorist seems to get a pass while some grandmother from South Bend gets a full cavity search.:rolleyes: Heaven forbid that we should offend anyone that wants to blow up a plane full of tourists or worse offend the poor 'berieved' families of the Terrorist. :confused:
Ok Steve I'll get off my soapbox:) . I'm actually more afraid of riding my motorcycle with some clown talking on a cell phone,:eek:
Thanks for the vent venue
Billfarr

[lhswayne]

In 2001, my wife and I flew to Vegas in early October so we experienced early on the increased security measures that were implemented as a result of 9/11. We will be flying to Vegas in late September this year so we will see what the increased TSA measures will be as a result of the latest terrorist threat. It is the way things are now and we feel we should continue to travel in the past no matter what.

[CeeJayRocker]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety . . . . . Benjamin Franklin

:cool:

[JMVegas5866]

I agree with everyone who has posted to this thread so far (except for the smoker took things personally lol, and billfar which I don't understand who has been getting free passes to terrorize since 9/11 haha).

We can't be scared to fly because that is what the terrorists want. I think since 9-11 to present, security and safety against terrorism in the United States has gotten better. Now the UK also faces the same problems as the US on terrorism and I think that is another reason why security has improved because now you have the UK intellignece (MI 5) working in coordination with the United States (FBI). Yes, security has improved, but there will always be evil in the world and you surely can't exterminate all the bad guys. As more nations become influenced by the effects of terrorism I don't think there will be as much toleration for this nonsense and I think more nations will unite and the good guys will eventually prevail (I hope!). I feel safe, but not completely safe. Just imagine how many terrorist groups live inside the US? Plus the loose border situation doesn't help matters either. I think that is the scariest issue of them all. This is a time of which many problems are all going on all at once... terrorism, issues with border control, Iraq, on going threats by Alquida, Isreal vs. Hesbolla, Korea, and the status with Syria/Iran. Then you have the increased prices of gas which has currently caused most airlines to again raise airfare. Too much crap going on all at once which has a huge impact on how we live our lives. It is so frustrating because it feels like there will never be an end to this.

As far as new airport security proceedures: I don't mind checking in all baggage. They should have made that a rule after 9-11. Whatever the new proceedures will be are fine with me.

[Johanna7]

We will continue to fly but I have never liked flying very much and that will not change. When there is turbulence, I am really nervous.

As others have said, 5 hours in the air beats more than 4 days of driving to Vegas so I will continue to do so. We even flew to Australia and back via New Zealand. Still, I do watch others more carefully now.

Last year in Las Vegas the TSA decided I had a lighter hidden in my purse. Now I do not even smoke, never have and own no lighter. After much searching on his part and he didn't want me to touch the large purse, he found the object. A small flashlight I keep in my travel purse in case the electricity goes off at night and I can't find the bathroom. Good thing we were at the airport early.

[vegasbabe]

When I heard about the elevated security level, I thought to myself, "what's next--no carry ons at all, and all clothes off except for bikinis and speedos?"

Well, if it increases safety, I guess I wouldn't mind. But I'd better step up my diet right now, in anticipation of my spring flight!

Jay Leno took this thought one step further during his monologue the other night. He showed a clip of many completley nude folks on an escalator. Scary thought! (But still not as scary as the terrorists.)

[diana-al]

we were just watching keith olbermann on "countdown" & he devoted a lot of
the hour long show to security-he had an expert on that said we are no
safer today than 2 weeks ago even with all of this 'NO LIQUIDS ON BOARD'-
they bring up the nexus of politics & terror-olbermann had 10 instances that
terror was brought up right after a major flub-up by the administration(such
as katrina)-a lot of political fearmongering is going on-bush just tried to cut
millions of dollars from the homeland security fund-the expert says that TSA
is really a joke with people in important jobs with no experience-its a place
to give great jobs to cronies-they were watching those guys in england for
13 months & most of them hadn't even gotten a passport yet-the bush
administration put the pressure on them to out them now even though the
british wanted to wait-it was just another political stunt because of of joe
leiberman losing-this is what we have to put up with folks!!!!!!!!!!

[andrea]

first and foremost, check all your bags. stop hauling on everything you are taking on your trip. me? i have a small leather pocket case in which i have my id, insurance card, bank card, and some cash along with a neatly folded boarding pass i get on line. i wear easy on and off shoes, no socks. guess how long it takes me to get through the line?

you can buy a bottle of water AFTER you pass security, drink it before you get on the plane and get a beverage shortly after take off. no one will suffer dehydration in that amount of time.

minimize.

andrea from las vegas

[iam4nd]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety . . . . . Benjamin Franklin"

That's Ben's opinion but Ben never had to get on an airplane with the threat of someone blowing it up.

I also do not believe getting searched before boarding a public aircraft is giving up an essential liberty IMHO.

[JMVegas5866]

we were just watching keith olbermann on "countdown" & he devoted a lot of
the hour long show to security-he had an expert on that said we are no
safer today than 2 weeks ago even with all of this 'NO LIQUIDS ON BOARD'-
they bring up the nexus of politics & terror-olbermann had 10 instances that
terror was brought up right after a major flub-up by the administration(such
as katrina)-a lot of political fearmongering is going on-bush just tried to cut
millions of dollars from the homeland security fund-the expert says that TSA
is really a joke with people in important jobs with no experience-its a place
to give great jobs to cronies-they were watching those guys in england for
13 months & most of them hadn't even gotten a passport yet-the bush
administration put the pressure on them to out them now even though the
british wanted to wait-it was just another political stunt because of of joe
leiberman losing-this is what we have to put up with folks!!!!!!!!!!

Wow. Lay off that Cool Aid folks and stay away from "those" crazy blogs. Remember, topic of discussion is airport security in a Vegas forum. Not political conspiracies. :)

[deecbell]

I am also a big proponent of no carry on bags. I can't tell you how many times my husband or I have been hit in the head while someone who is obviously more important than we are, who can't wait for their luggage at their arrival, stuggle trying to put in the overhead bins, items which are so obviously over the size limit the airlines have at their gates.
I also take offense with the whole smoking deal, at least McCarren realizes people who go to Vegas are loaded with vices, including smoking.
We are going to Vegas first week of Sept. I will as usual check all my luggage, and wear sandals, and hope for the best.
Do I feel safer? naw, actually my husband and I had a discussion about the whole blow up a few planes issue, and we are in agreement if the terrorists really want to kill a lot of people at one time, any Nascar event draws over 100,000 people. Planes carry a few hundred. Things might lighten up a little in a few weeks or so, but if our illustrious government feels they are making a big impression on us by implementing these new measures, fine. They don't

[AnnPedi614]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety . . . . . Benjamin Franklin"

That's Ben's opinion but Ben never had to get on an airplane with the threat of someone blowing it up.

I also do not believe getting searched before boarding a public aircraft is giving up an essential liberty IMHO.

I appreciate Ben's opinion and think that the founding fathers faced many dangers. They may not seem great to us today, but without them we would not be the United States of America. I won't go into my complete feelings because this is a Vegas board. However we can not live in constant fear. There are bad guys here too, as Timothy McVeigh proved. I do agree we aren't giving up essential liberties with searches before getting on a plane, they are just given up in other areas....
As for airport security, the new measures are simply a hassle, the amount of fluid they need to blow up the plane is very small and can fit down their pants I am sure. If they want to do it, they will and nothing anyone does is going to stop it, except for aware people on planes who are paying attention to what is going on. Only we can stop it, we can not depend on TSA. When the first attacks happened, it happened because they used items that were allowed on a plane. It is that simple. Our goverment failed us by not beefing up security when we had information saying the terrorists wanted to strike and hijack planes. The FAA did not warn pilots who at the time were told to comply with terrorists who were hijacking. The pilots on Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon were still alive, they were in the back of the plane.
I have no false sense of security, but I refuse to let the a-holes win, I will travel and I will enjoy my life. God Forbid something happen, at least I know I will have enjoyed my life and did not live in fear.............

[rambler]

i agree with the members,who post its time to profile potential terrorists.the safety of the majority should not be at risk because someone or a groups feelings are ruffled. carry on luggage should be banned and the airport screeners should better trained at looking for potential trouble. Americians had better get use to the fact that travel is going to get alot harder. reread the the post about the group entering Israel.i will still fly if i have to go a long distance in a short period of time.

[Podie1956]

I think no carry-on luggage for ANYONE is the way to go. Yes, I like carrying a snack or two, but I'll be okay with my book and chewing gum. In fact, why don't we do away with carry-on luggage and force the airlines to offer us more snacks if we want them? (I'll take 1 granola bar, 17 bags of chips, 10 cookies and one diet Coke, please)

[Souette]

For those of you who remember "All In The Family" and Archie Bunker.
Back in the 70's when hi-jacking airliners was the fear of the times, Archie gave his take on how to handle the terrorists:
Give every passenger a gun as they board the plane, then the terrorists would think twice before acting. :eek:

Good topic Steve as this affects the majority of us that head to Vegas.

[mrsvjw]

We flew out very early on Thursday, didn't hear the news until we got to our gate.

We had to wait for the security line to open, first people thru one of the new "heightened security" likes at O'Hare at 5am on Thursday.

At the time, it was a mess because no one knew the rules, even the TSA people had to consult for a couple minutes to determine if I could take cereal bars on the plane. In the line for luggage check in, we were told simply we "couldn't carry liquids on to the plane, like coffee or water". Not until AFTER we checked our bags did we see signs mentioning suntan lotion, lotions, etc. They took nail glue and nail polish outta my carry-on (and at the time I was pissed.... after I heard CNN and knew WHY, not so pissed).

However, the bag they searched thru, the screeners failed to notice that (by accident) there were EIGHT books of matches in my carry on and on the way home, a lighter in my checked luggage (Also, I did not know about) made it thru (but honestly, I've done the "oops" on lighters every time I've traveled since they have banned them).

Heard several women on the tram to the luggage pickup complaining about having to toss almost all their makeup at security. Again, had they been clearer about the rules up front, might not have been an issue.

The security lines when we reached Vegas looked HORRIBLE. Flight back home, we breezed right thru security with no problem (we also had an early flight out).

I know they have rules for a reason, and I do not mind following them. But it scares me that they get tunnel vision and focus on certain things at certain times. If you're not worried about other stuff... just make the rules CONSTANTLY static so people know to check them more frequently, and can deal with sudden new rules like these.

And I'm not a fan of "no carry ons" whatsoever. Minimal? Yes. Let me take my books, my purse, my laptop & cell and any other electronics that I will NOT be able to replace (mainly, data on the laptop, digital pictures on a camera, etc). There are still a lot of problems with baggae handlers going thru some luggage, to the point I heard a news story today of Chicago police advising their officers to NOT put their guns in checked luggage since they have been several incidents of them getting stolen recently.

[YJAJJ]

Based on the events from last week, what are your personal feelings about airport security?

What can be done to improve it?
Do these recent events prevent you from flying?
Do you think these new security measures will last?
Do you feel safe?

I welcome any and all comments.

Steve

I BELIEVE WE NEED TO PROFILE!
I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO BETTER BACKGROUND CHECKS ON THE SECURITY PEOPLE!
I BELIEVE THE UK HAS THE RIGHT IDEA - PROTECT AND ASK QUESTIONS LATTER!

I JUST BOOKED MY NEXT VEGAS TRIP - 11/11 I WILL NOT STOP FLYING!

LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL GET COMPLACENT AND THINGS WILL LOOSEN UP - AND THE LIBERALS WILL WANT TO GET BACK TO DEALING WITH THE TERRORISTS!

I FEEL AS SAFE TODAY AS I DID ON THE 38TH LOOKING AT NORTH KOREA WHERE I LOST A LEG DO TO BEING SHOT!

NO SAFER PLACE THEN AMERICA BUT WE NEED TO CLOSE THE GATE TILL WE GET WORLD PEACE AND TREAT TODAYS IMIGRENTS LIKE THOSE BEFORE THEM - LEARN ENGLISH ETC. OTHERWISE GET OUT!

SORRY ABOUT THE RANTING ALMOST DIEING IN KOREA GIVES ME A DIFFERENT OUT LOOK THEN MOST!

WOULD LOVE TO SERVE TODAY!

PRAY FOR THOSE THAT PROTECT US!
JIM J

[garagesaler21]

My husband and I are concerned about air line travel and safety. We are not so much concerned with the danger, life, itself, is a gamble in many ways. However, we probably will not fly very much until things get better because of the hassle. Getting to the airport early, standing in line, getting searched and seeing other stressed out people will make the trip much less enjoyable.

[YJAJJ]

And By The By - Ever Get Pulled Aside And Have To Take Your Leg Off??

Not As Easy As Shoes!

Europe Last Year - Vegas Two Years Ago, At Last I Get A Room!

I Don't Mind - So I Have Been Getting To The Airport 2 Hours Early For A Long Time!

I Fly First Class - It Helps A Bit - No Lines But I Still Get Searched!

Jim J

[Tammy]

What can be done to improve? Don't Know. Not my position to worry about it. I refuse to worry about it.

Does it prevent me from flying? Nope!

Will the security measures last? I think so.

Do I feel safe? Yep! I wouldn't fly at all if I didn't.

[Lackqueen]

Am I more nervous flying? Yes. And I definitely will be more aware of those traveling on the same flight. Will it stop me from flying? No, especially if it's to Vegas (in 3 weeks). :cool:

As I recently wrote under another topic, I still don't understand why the TSA didn't prohibit lighters immediately after 9/11. I'm a smoker, and on my last trip to Vegas I didn't realize I had a lighter in my jeans pocket, went right through security with no problem. After going through security, I discovered it in my pocket & immediately disposed of it. Security never detected it.

I also don't understand WHY (I just checked the TSA website) corkscrews & knitting needles are allowed! Why would anyone need a corkscrew on a plane? And if someone sat next to me with huge knitting needles, I don't think I'd feel very comfortable.

Battery operated electronics are still allowed on US flights. I purchased a CD player & accidentally put the batteries in wrong, and that thing heated up so much that I had to remove the batteries with an oven mitt. Had I left them in there & had the device turned on, I'm sure it would have caught fire from the tremendous heat. After that happened to me, I don't even feel secure with having those devices on a plane. There's so much we don't know about their "bomb making" procedures, it does scare me.

As far as having to put my makeup & necessities in the checked luggage, I don't have a problem with that. Fortunately, our luggage was only lost once (on the way home and on a non-stop flight--go figure) which was an inconvenience and hopefully won't happen again. I just hope they don't stop us from taking food on the flight. Hubby would NOT be a happy camper if he had to go 5 hours without his sandwiches :eek:

[Boston_Bill]

I flew a month after 9-11 and it wasnt nearly as bad as I thought and some of that originated here in Boston.
I will continue to fly.

I hope people dont take their frustrations out on the poor TSA guards it is a thankless job and try to stay cool.

[mturner]

let me say, 1st of all, i hate airports and all that goes along with them ( i fly out of chicago.. need i say more? )

that said... none of this will change my flying habits. whatever it takes to outwit the terrorists and keep us safe...i will do.

living in an area where there are many middle-eastern people, it saddens me that they are profiled and are offended because of it. they are kind and wonderful people. that said.... they must join the fight with us and fight against the ones that are blackening their religion and culture. until then....unfortunately, there has to be more caution paid to those who fit the profile. it can't be helped.

whew.. i will get down off my soapbox now.

[sonntex]

I BELIEVE WE NEED TO PROFILE!
I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO BETTER BACKGROUND CHECKS ON THE SECURITY PEOPLE!
I BELIEVE THE UK HAS THE RIGHT IDEA - PROTECT AND ASK QUESTIONS LATTER!

I JUST BOOKED MY NEXT VEGAS TRIP - 11/11 I WILL NOT STOP FLYING!

LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL GET COMPLACENT AND THINGS WILL LOOSEN UP - AND THE LIBERALS WILL WANT TO GET BACK TO DEALING WITH THE TERRORISTS!

I FEEL AS SAFE TODAY AS I DID ON THE 38TH LOOKING AT NORTH KOREA WHERE I LOST A LEG DO TO BEING SHOT!

NO SAFER PLACE THEN AMERICA BUT WE NEED TO CLOSE THE GATE TILL WE GET WORLD PEACE AND TREAT TODAYS IMIGRENTS LIKE THOSE BEFORE THEM - LEARN ENGLISH ETC. OTHERWISE GET OUT!

SORRY ABOUT THE RANTING ALMOST DIEING IN KOREA GIVES ME A DIFFERENT OUT LOOK THEN MOST!

WOULD LOVE TO SERVE TODAY!

PRAY FOR THOSE THAT PROTECT US!
JIM J

Don't apologize for your rants. You are right. And thanks for being there to protect us. May God bless you and all those young people out there today protecting our rights to gripe and moan about what our government does or doesn't do to suit us. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

And may God help us all to make the world a better and safer place.

[ASTIDIXIE]

What good does it do to ONLY scan passenger carry on, passengers & check luggage when you are letting mail on the plane without the same type of screening????
NONE!
We can all be put into that life ending danger all because they do not want to pay for or should I say not made to pay for the price of the scanning!
As wonderful as I think it is that they do all of this scanning in order to get onto the plane............IF they do not scan that mail, does it really do any good?

[ASTIDIXIE]

As far as what you are allowed to bring to the airport. You can have no lighters on you or packed, but you are allowed 4 books of matches on your person. Stop your prejudce against smokers. We do have a smoking lounge for all of us, so we're not blowing it in your face although after reading your post, I would like to!!!Thank you for your smoking comments!!!!

[JMVegas5866]

As far as what you are allowed to bring to the airport. You can have no lighters on you or packed, but you are allowed 4 books of matches on your person. Stop your prejudce against smokers. We do have a smoking lounge for all of us, so we're not blowing it in your face although after reading your post, I would like to!!!

HAHAHA. It totally has nothing to do with "prejudice" against smokers LOL. The topic is airport security. The point that guy was trying to make was that lighters or anything like a cigar or cigarette that is capable of buring, causing fire, or could be used to ignite a bomb or aid in a chemical reaction to cause an explosion shouldn't be allowed on an airplane this day in age. This isn't a smoking issue, its a security and safety issue.

[drivefast9]

I left Vegas on the 11:45p.m. flight 484 on JetBlue to Boston. Since the flight was a late flight security was pretty fast there was not many flights going out that late.
I feel what they should do to improve, fingerprint everyone, one shot deal. The only thing that would show up is a red flag then the security would follow thru.
As for the security measures lasting well I don't know how true it is but the statement I heard was "no laptops " I saw 2 people using one. So I truly can't answer the question.

[LJG0722]

Hello

Certainly will continue to fly and feel safe and have recently booked a couple of flights unfortunately none to Vegas. :(

For increased security, as inconvenient as it may be, I think they should significantly reduce the carry on luggage that is allowed on flights - that would certainly decrease the ability for terrorists to carry weapons onto airlines and also allow the security personnel to concentrate on searching for items in or on what is allowed to go through security. Additionally, as unpopular as it may be, there needs to be profiling for very intense searches prior to boarding airlines - for the safety of all. Finally, all passengers need to be aware of what is going on around them and if they see or feel that something is not right, they need to speak up in order for action to be taken. Of course we don not want everyone in a state of panic and reacting to nothing but we all need to do our part to ensure that our flights are safe.

I think and hope that airport security continues to become tighter and better performed - if everyone is aware of what is allowed and what will be done at the airports, everyone should be better prepared and hopefully the process will be smoother and quicker and therefore the long lines and process will go away without reducing security which is there for all of us.

Thanks

LJG0722

[bevierose]

I am one who believes in fate. If I am fated to a certain place, then let it be. But, on the other hand one needs to be vigilant, know who and what is around them. For example, the other night leaving Vegas our flight was 2 hours late and many people just sprawled themselves out on the carpeted floor of the perimeter of the waiting area and fell fast asleep. Someone could have stolen their carry-ons or purses, but we were all looking out for one another. Let me tell you, I have been accosted on the street in NYC and in Rome and have seen a robbery in progress in Verona, Italy where someone pickpocketed a wallet, threw it across to another, and the guy took off with all of a man's things. Safe, how safe and more. One never really can be sure, but we need to take heed to the liquids and how they can be mixed for explosives. Also, the cellphones and ipods can be wired to blow up. It was demonstrated on TV. Many of these terrorists are very clever and into the sciences where this is their specialty. We must take care of each other. In answer to the question, "am I my brother's keeper?" Yes, we all are. Right now knowing who is next to you, what they are doing and if you see anything at all suspicious, report it immediately. It is too serious to be taken lightly.
I suppose the safest would be to allow no computers, DVD players, ipods, cellphones and more, but that won't happen completely. People will be afraid for awhile, then they will start traveling again. We have seen it before. We are at risk, but so is everyone. If you want to travel, just keep aware and try to enjoy yourself. If you do, you will win by making these radicals look foolish and know that they can't take away our personal freedom.
Bevierose:cool:

[deemaxx95]

Will we continue to fly, YES, do we feel safe, not completely.
Because of recent events we both feel that the TSA must get over the assumption that people are going to be offended by profiling. No sense in searching the old grandmother when someone next to her fits the profile. So TSA succumbs to non profiling which actually makes it less safe for everyone flying. Sorry, but that’s how I feel. I was detained when I changed my flight on the way home from CA and extended it tow days.They told me that I should have extended it earlier in the vacation. The only reason I extended it was I noticed that the airlines made an error the day before and had us going home earlier than expected.

I do not mind any security checks; after all it is for the good of all passengers. The one thing I do not like is that luggage seems to get lost a lot easier these days, and people go thru my luggage all the time. I keep finding notes to that fact. In the last 6 flights, either my husbands, or my luggage was misplaced. Thank goodness it was on the flights home, but you have no idea of what a pain it is to get your luggage back until you have experienced this. Who knows what can be stashed in your luggage when it is out of your hands.

[emmit1]

A couple of comments: A month or two after the towers were attacked I had flown from Indiana to Detroit on our company plane. Our plane couldn't get back to pick us up for some reason, so several of us ended up at Detroit Metro to fly to Indy. All of us bought one way tickets shortly before the flight and we had no luggage. Guess who spent a lot of time in security.
I've also had a hip replacement about 3 years ago. I've refused to take off my shoes because it isn't easy for me to take them on and off and I know I'm going to set off the metal detector anyway. I'm flying to Dallas this Saturday so I'll find out what they do about my shoes.
I don't mind the searches and body pats. If it saves one life it is worth it.

[sonntex]

A couple of comments: A month or two after the towers were attacked I had flown from Indiana to Detroit on our company plane. Our plane couldn't get back to pick us up for some reason, so several of us ended up at Detroit Metro to fly to Indy. All of us bought one way tickets shortly before the flight and we had no luggage. Guess who spent a lot of time in security.
I've also had a hip replacement about 3 years ago. I've refused to take off my shoes because it isn't easy for me to take them on and off and I know I'm going to set off the metal detector anyway. I'm flying to Dallas this Saturday so I'll find out what they do about my shoes.
I don't mind the searches and body pats. If it saves one life it is worth it.

If you're flying out of DFW for your return trip, they are picky about the shoes.

[ronnie2000]

HAHAHA. It totally has nothing to do with "prejudice" against smokers LOL. The topic is airport security. The point that guy was trying to make was that lighters or anything like a cigar or cigarette that is capable of buring, causing fire, or could be used to ignite a bomb or aid in a chemical reaction to cause an explosion shouldn't be allowed on an airplane this day in age. This isn't a smoking issue, its a security and safety issue.


Sorry that you had to do the explanation 101 to the smokers who took it personal. For some, they think everything is either directed to them or is about them....an "all about me" mentality. So far, I've never been on a plane when a fire broke out. I'm hoping it stays that way. Banning items that can start a fire (and yes Boy Scouts, that means not bringing a mirror with a magnifying glass and two pieces of wood and a piece of string!) would be a big step in the safety and security issue. How much panic would ensue if someone were to light the "in flight" magazine on fire and just throw it. It's not a bomb but you'd have the same kind of panic! Hopefully this doesn't have to be explained to the smokers:D :D

[Mrs Mac]

We returned to DTW from Las Vegas May 23 of this year non-stop via Northwest. When we checked in at the Northwest counter in Vegas the agent never looked at either my or my husband's ID. We both had ID's in hand and flashed them at him after he had told us we could take our luggage to the x-ray area. We were both just shocked and contacted Northwest about the incident. As usual, no response from NWA.

Twelve years ago in September we were flying to Las Vegas from Detroit, non-stop again on Northwest. A large man of Middle Eastern descent became very loud and obnoxous, playing his carried on boom box at top volume - ringing for the flight attendants, making demands for beverage service although he wasn't drinking alcohol, spending long times in the lavatory. He would try to touch and hug the female flight personel. All at once he made a loud statement that he was going to open the emergency doors and start throwing passengers out. The flight attendants immediately stopped customer service and stationed themselves on phones throughout the plane. One of the largest man I have ever seen ranking up there with a pro football linebacker came out of the cockpit and got in the threatening passenger's face and told him to sit down and shut up. I'm sure the uniformed flight engineer would have taken a seat next to the troublemaker but could not fit into the coach seat. To this day I don't know why the plane did not make an unscheduled landing to rid itself of this passenger but once we landed in Las Vegas there were at least 20 people waiting at the gate to give this man an escort out of the plane. It was pretty frightening and I am usually a good flyer.

My husband stopped liking to fly after the time in the late 70's when we were landing at the old Hughes (?) charter airport. The rear wheels of the plane touched down and then we were airborne again. Seems as tho there was a truck on the runway. Had the front wheel been down we would have crashed into the vehicle. The only way he got back onto a plane after that was knowing the only way he would see his beloved Las Vegas again was to fly because there's no way I am spending 4 days in a car going and another 4 days leaving. We now go to Vegas 2 times a year - May and November. For some reason I always seem to be the one who has their carry on and/or purse searched. You can bet when we fly out in November I will be the one who is chosen for a more thorough check. Oh well, if that's what it takes to be safer so be it.

My 68 year old friend and former business partner flew home from Glasgow Friday. She said they were allowed their wallet, passport and one tissue on the plane with them. That's all. No book. No newspaper. No magazine. And they each had VERY thorough searches before boarding the plane. SHe said it was a very long, very stressful flight home.

Best of luck to all,

Mrs. Mac

[ooberrydooberry]

I am perfectly happy with all the security checks. We flew from uk into lv 10 days after 9/11, flight was very quiet all the way and when we landed you could practically hear everyone sigh with relief. there were security checks everywhere, disney, universal etc. we felt totally safe. If it means you a longer in the airport being checked - so be it!!!

[cindyinnj]

I have a fear of flying whether terrorists want to blow the plane up or not....so....these new security rules won't effect me one bit! I will still fly and white knuckle it all the way to my destination..LOL..:o I think airport security could be even stricter like the Israel airline, El Al! They have the best airline security on earth. They definately know what they're doing and how to spot and stop terrorists immediately! We should learn from them.

BTW....Kudos to the British for catching these terrorists in their tracts! :)

[kimimurad]

We will continue to fly. Only thing holding us back sometimes is the ridiculous ticket prices.

Security probably won't change much in the near future IMO. The shoe thing is still in force so I figure the no-liquids will also be in force for a long time, too. Doesn't bother us much as we usually check our luggage anyway. If my luggage gets lost then the few liquid things that I always carry on board will just get lost. If my make-up gets lost, then I will go w/o make-up. LOL

I agree with iam4nd about the profiling. I got checked once at DFW because my driver's license had expired a few days before the flight and I had a lighter in my pocket. I was travelling alone. They pulled me aside and checked everything. Wanded me and went thru all my stuff and I'm a caucasian granny. McCarren did not bother me on the flilght back, but you better believe I got my DL renewed as soon as I got home.

Once on a flight back from LV there was a young middle eastern man sitting in hubby's seat. He told the guy he was in the wrong seat so he moved over to the middle seat. Hubby's seat was on the aisle and mine was by the window, so this fellow was sitting between us. He started his evening prayers with his head down mumbling in his native language. All he was carrying was a small backpack that was not full. He smelled strongly of incense. I was pretty nervous and kept close watch on him; trying not to be too obvious about it. After a few minutes a Spanish man stopped at our row and told this fellow that he was in the wrong seat. That was his seat. (Guess the Middle Eastern guy couldn't read English very well.) So he moved to the row behind us. Relieved me a little. At least I didn't have to sit by him, but I was still a little nervous. We got back to Dallas okay without any incidents, but......

And then there was another time that a Middle Eastern man was sitting next to me. He was by the window. He had a friend who was sitting in the seat in front of him. They were both nice guys. Talked to them a little bit and when we landed at DFW we were all on the same shuttle to get our cars; one of them got up and gave me his seat. But when you think about the fact that some some of the 911 terrorists had some meetings in Vegas, it gives me a shaky feeling. You just never know.

One thing that I wish the airlines would get going on pronto, is a better way to check out the checked luggage and cargo. I know the machines they use for that are much stronger than the carry-on ones, but still not strong enough. What would keep someone from stowing something in cargo that can be detonated by something they carry on. One of the guys caught at Heathrow was employed there.

I am not saying that all Muslims should be profiled. But the young men who are travelling in pairs or alone are very suspicious. Random checks could still be made on other passengers just to make sure.

But with all that said, I do feel pretty safe. I just stay off those jumbo jets.;)


I am a bit more hesitant to fly after what happened last week. However, it won't keep me from going to Vegas. I do worry about the airplanes targeting the larger Hotels in Vegas, though. That has always been in the back of my mind since 9/11. In Vegas, during busy times, just imagine how many people could be at one place at one time...This makes it an easy target for the terrorists. They don't even need an airplaine! Just to check into the WYNN, MGM, CAESARS, ETC...and they have many more vulnerable people than on an airplane (or several airplanes for that matter). Probably best to stay at the smaller places during the months of Aug/Sept, just in case!:eek:

[kaytwety]

I flew from Vegas on 8/12/06 and the biggest problem with the new security regs. was BEING THIRSTY ON THE PLANE, and the fact that the VENDERS at the Airports are getting FAT. There is NO EXCUSE for water being $3.01 a bottle just because it's at the Airport. You can usually pack all the things you need to go into checked baggage. I had Insulin and other meds. in my carry on and had no problems. We flew on NORTH WEST but will NEVER fly with them again. Their Safety Precautions are just VERY SLOPPY. They never check that trays or seats were put up and didn't really check seat belts. On a 4 hour flight the Flight attendent made ONE PASS with the offer of water -coffee-soda-or drinks. He then sat in the back of the plane with a magazine. More needs to be offered now that you cannot bring on your own water or soda. BEWARE they seem to ONLY PRE BOARD FIRST CLASS. For the rest of you GOOD LUCK,,,They also cannot take a wheelchair to the aircraft door. You must walk from the top of the ramp to the aircraft door and also back out the same way. They also reserve the FRONT LAVATORIES for ONLY THE FIRST CLASS PEOPLE. Handicap seating is in the 5th--and 6th row and then they expect you to use the lavatories in the BACK OF THE PLANE. The security lines weere long but appeared to move right along. Is this just another way for the airports to fatten their profits????

[luvmesumvegas]

We live in a society of convenience and we tend to throw caution to the wind if it will inconvenience us. Well, sometime that caution is for our own good. The more safety measures we have the more safe we will be. I would rather take all necessary precautions and be alive then take shortcuts and be dead.

[msbug]

I don't mind the security checks. I always arrive at the airport at least 2 hrs earlier. Our airport is very small and things move right along. My sister flew to NY Sunday and it took no time through security. The only reason I bring a small carryon, is because I am so afraid the airlines will lose my bags, so I pack a shirt and underthings just in case.

Does anyone know if cameras and cellphones are allowed on board now?
I wonder if there will be more changes when I fly in October.

I also think some of these random checks on certain people are ridiculous.
They pulled my friends mom,70 yrs old, who is in a wheelchair to the side for a search and asked if she could get up. No she couldn't. She was patient.

I am a little nervous on planes anyway, because I haven't flown much and even with all the extra security measures, I think I will be a little more apprehensive in October.

[sue2u2]

I happen to agree with the president of the American Pilots Association....."We need to be looking for bad people not bad things"

[King of Kurtopia]

The whole thing affects me in a different way than it seems to affect most of the others that post here. I can put up with rules and regulations no matter what they are. However...this whole "dog and pony show" being put on by the current administration is rediculous.

Should liquids, gels, etc. be banned? Probably. Like another person posted, our government knew of this exact same scenario 10 years ago. Why haven't they put the current regulations into place before now?

Did anyone know that when the Brits busted these people, the president was involved in trying to divert 6 million dollars that was earmarked for airport security into another program that had nothing to do with security in the United States?

I could go on and on, but I will spare you all with my thoughts. TSA=Low paid government employees....Yeah...that makes me feel safe! :o

[pateboo]

I think the terrorists are trying to make everyone smell and look as bad as them. LOL I'm flying on a Saturday and coming home the following Monday, I bought a duffle bag and figured that was enough. I thought I could eliminate having to wait for a checked bag. Now, thanks to the recent scare I have to rethink that. The security measures may be time consuming, and some even ridiculous, but I'm not going to let it stop me from flying and traveling. If we stop flying, or going on with our lives,then the terrorists win.

[Hockey53]

Since the I-15 through Devore and the Cajon Pass will be under construction off and on around Sept. 23rd,we will be flying from LAX to Vegas.:cool:

[Boston_Bill]

Great line from David Letterman last night. 'We're gonna have to fly naked".

[sonntex]

Heard some news reports this morning regarding the "threat" at Logan/Boston and the "terrorist mother" arrested in London. Sad, sad, sad.

Some who had flown in the last few days were reporting that even with all the pat-downs and other security measures at Heathrow, people on the planes from London were still skittish and were closely checking each other out. That, to me, is what we all need to be doing - be alert to what is going on around us. And that is not just on airplanes.

Regardless of what our government and other governments around the world are doing, WE MUST BE VIGILANT. We must HEAR with our ears, SEE with our eyes, and SCREAM BLOODY MURDER with our voices. No matter what security measures are taken, every time we close up one hole, the terrorists will find another. It is up to US to keep ourselves as safe as possible.

I'll keep flying, driving, going to the mall, going to concerts and being in large crowds. But I will ever be ALERT. No matter what security measures are in place, I will never be complacent.

T-3 and coming back on the night of August 22 - another big day in the Islamic world according to news reports. Some of the "experts" are expecting the possibility of something happening on the 22nd. I am prepared to stay over in LV for a day or two if necessary. Believe me, I will be very ALERT, but nothing is going to stop me from enjoying my trip. So there, Mr. Terrorist.

[wiley]

Well said! Have a wondereful, safe trip.

[sailor53]

Frankly, I wouldn't mind if they did away with carry on completely. Security checks would move more quickly, and the money saved could be channeled to improve checking checked baggage.

That being said, they should allow medication, books and especially water. If they won't allow water it should be made available after security. I get thirsty, darn it!

I suppose they will have to allow diapers and baby food, although I like the idea of banning babies entirely. But I don't suppose they would ever do that. Maybe they could ride in baggage? Nah. :rolleyes:

[ronnie2000]

Wonder if anyone has thought about the substance in disposable diapers that holds the "water"?? It turns to gel, when wet, which is why diapers don't leak like they used to. Maybe the idea about keeping the kids in checked luggage isn't such a bad one :D For those who take things personal, it's ONLY A FRIGGIN' JOKE!! I have 8 grandkids and I can only think of one of them that I'd be willing to check at the gate :rolleyes: :eek: ;)

[Ayeloroz]

That is a good one ronnie2000. I think we must keep a sense of humor. It is right that we should be more aware of the dangers around us, but we cannot let it paralyze us from living our normal lives.

[BobWerner]

Don't they have cat and dog cages that go into a hold area for transporting pets? What about the same thing for a child?

Ok, for those humoriously hindered, this is a joke, folks.

[Kathy]

Does anyone know if the Orleans or Palace Stattion has the slot machine "lil lucy" which has a random bonus?:confused:

[mbjts]

I'm afraid to fly to begin with (another "white-knuckler");) yet I believe that security measures should continue. It gives me something else to "worry" about, yet flying is still the safest and best way to get anywhere, especially Las Vegas.

I recently read that a lot of hotels are now prepared to offer their guests all the toothpaste, shampoo, deordorant, etc. that is necessary to help eliminate the need to bring these things along.

Has anyone heard if the Vegas hotels are doing this?:confused:

Here's hoping everyone heading to Vegas enjoy a smooth and safe flight!

[monsterpocket]

Everyone is complaining about too much security and about profiling, well even at it's current level of security our airport security is a joke. From start to finish our security sucks. If we want true security all that we need to do is follow what El Al Airlines did in the 70's and may still be doing today (I have not flowen them since 1979). Here is what they did and most Americans would scream bloody murder. First you do not have a flight time you have a time to get to the airport. Next you go through security with your checked bags and may not pass back through, and go into a departure lounge. Then you go through a 2nd security check with your checked bags and ALL bags are hand checked. Then your bags are taken for the plane and you wait in another room. At some point they call your flight, you board a bus and go to plane which is at the end of the runway, you load and take off. Security need to be former or current police and military not what we have now. I know that most would hate this system but it is the only thing close to secure.

[sdjweinman]

We were on vacation in London when the terrorist scare hit. We rescheduled and got out OK from Gatwick but heard horror stories from Heathrow patrons. The no carry-on rule cost me $ as we were already there and had arrived with 2 bags + 2 carry ons each for a cruise -- and then had to buy a suitcase to fit our carry ons to get them back home.

It was not fun going through 5 security screens, but I won't complain if it makes it safer for all.

Domestic flights will not be an issue -- but I doubt I will attempt another International trip for some time. 17 hours in flight and couldn't even bring over the counter medications (ibuprofen) was a little ridiculous.

Next trip will probably be to Vegas later this year!

[sdjweinman]

I think the airlines need to evaluate their staffing better. Telling patrons to arrive 2-3 hours before their flight to find that the check-in counter isn't open until 2 hours before the flight just causes a lot of people to stand in very long lines.

I arrived in Seattle 2.5 hours before my flight -- and almost missed the flight by the time I got through a very long line to check in and longer security line -- and this was before the scare of August 10.

Coming home -- we were told to arrive at least 3 hours early due to increased security -- we arrived 3.5 hours early for a 9 AM flight. Spent first hour in a line waiting for the counter to open. We could see the counter workers watching the line from an upper floor observation area, but they didn't or couldn't work until the specified time occurred.

If people are waiting in huge long lines prior to getting to security -- then it becomes a rush and hassle -- especially hard for those who can't walk too fast and have to travel to the farthest away gates! Airlines need to accomodate the passengers by having enough staff.

[Skelton]

:-) Hi- My husband an I went to San Francisco in in 2002. Charged our tickets, took only one bag. Didn't have to go thru security then, just went to the flight station. Showed our pass an tickets, was asked if on Honeymoon - said Annv. Sat an waited , they had a man come over an talk with us about anything. Come time to board , they pull us out of line - checked out bag(opened up) while others board. Found out they put 3 "S" on our ticket-weired. We are retired an in 70's an AM. That didn't sit well with us at all. I plan to Fly in Sept. an with bigger security gets me scared but understand. I would never let some crazy country tell me I can't travel my country.

[Joyce]

I think the real reason security bothers people who don't look like potential "anythings" is because someone could slip something into their pockets which they didn't even know. We fly to LV 5 times a year from Chicago. I have been stopped once. Hubby is searched on a routine basis - most times. He is 73, white thinning hair, a tad overweight. He looks like the most non-threating person you have ever seen. He is paying so little attention to what is going on around him, I, honestly, believe they think someone might have slipped something on him that he isn't even aware of. We were in LV on 9/11 - they can search and search till they are blue in the face. I personally applaud!!!

[lvfan]

I enjoy flying, and will continue to do so. Was a little disheartened that two lighters were stolen from my baggage on one of my two flights this past Sunday, including a Zippo that was a gift from my father. Did volunteer for a bump in Atlanta and received two round trip tickets anywhere AirTrain flies. May be considering my next Vegas trip after the October one that's already planned. Other than slightly longer Security lines, there wasn't much difference in these flights than in the past.

[sonntex]

Our trip to LV this past weekend went uneventful. We left DFW at 10:19 pm Saturday night and returned Tuesday night at 10:50. No lines going out and minimal lines coming back. Got to the airport early for our Saturday night flight and waited a long time afterward in the airport before boarding. Got to McCarren about 1-1/2 hours before flight Tuesday night and had time to purchase a book, a coke, have a smoke and got to the gate just minutes before boarding. Worked out very well.

[sdjweinman]

I enjoy flying, and will continue to do so. Was a little disheartened that two lighters were stolen from my baggage on one of my two flights this past Sunday, including a Zippo that was a gift from my father. Did volunteer for a bump in Atlanta and received two round trip tickets anywhere AirTrain flies. May be considering my next Vegas trip after the October one that's already planned. Other than slightly longer Security lines, there wasn't much difference in these flights than in the past.


Lighters are not permitted in carry-on OR checked baggage so they were more likely confisgated rather than "stolen". This is according to FAA/TSA rules.

[genogusa]

Lighters are not stolen out of checked baggage. As mentioned earlier they are confiscated. Unless those zippos were packed in an approved container, they are not allowed in the belly of the plane. (Not allowed in the cabin either.) Matches are ok. Up to four books anyway. Strike anywhere matches not allowed.

Profiling a solution. I think so. Look at the history of these terrorists. Who's doing them? We all know, 19 -25 yr old mideastern males, but who knows if the 75 year old grandma is dying of cancer and maybe is given a large amount of $$$ to carry this package strapped around her bosom. Money that perhaps her unemployed son or daughter could really use. There are many scenerios that could happen. Where do you the draw the line.

I want to feel safe when I'm at 30,000 feet above the ground and these people who are out to harm us have the patience to wait until we let our guards down to carry out their sick plots.